[kudra]

Hi guys,

I hope you can help me out. I have a question about Openbravo license. I am running my own company and I would like to do the following:

- Installing Openbravo on my customers machines

- Probably modifying source code, creating moduls

- Giving support to them

- I would also like to create my companies homepage where I can put out a working version of openbravo, where customers can log in and use openbravo threw the Internet

I am new to the OpenSource world. Is it possible to do all these? To use Openbravo's source freely? Are there any restrictions? I have checked the license documentation but my native language is not English and I am not a lawyer. Could you help me out?

 

Regards,

Laszlo

[dmitry_mezentsev]

- Installing Openbravo on my customers machines
- Probably modifying source code, creating moduls
- Giving support to them
- I would also like to create my companies homepage where I can put out a working version of openbravo, where customers can log in and use openbravo threw the Internet
I am new to the OpenSource world. Is it possible to do all these?

In short speaking about above things - you can for sure do them but with the following notes:
* While modifying source code you should preserve attribution of the original author by not changing (maintaining) the Openbravo logo and link on start-up or login screens and on the user interface.
* OBPL does require that derivative works of Openbravo are published in open source under the same OBPL license, but separable extensions (i.e., those included in new files, like Openbravo modules) are permitted to be distributed under another (open or closed) license.

If you don't want to distribute the source code of the changes, Openbravo offers alternative commercial licensing terms, particularly for independent software vendors, and value-added resellers.

You can find more information on this topic with some FAQ following this link http://www.openbravo.com/legal/product/erp/.

[chelipf]

Be careful with OBPL, it is only for core module. For sure most of the modules you will need are under OBCL, this license is not a free software license.

[dmitry_mezentsev]

Be careful with OBPL, it is only for core module. For sure most of the modules you will need are under OBCL, this license is not a free software license.

Statistics as of now from the Central Repository about published in it modules:
Public Modules - 67.1%
Commercial Modules - 32.9%

[chelipf]

Statistics are statistics. I'm from Spain and I don't mind how many modules are under free software licenses and how many under a privative software one. What I know is, if I want to implement a new instance of Openbravo I can't do anything without I privative professional subscription. Why?, because I need a lot of your privative modules to implement local taxes, government requirements, etc. Dmitry, are you trying to deceive your customers? I think so.

[zaien]

Hi Laszlo, Chellips
I'm an openbravo developer from Indonesia. For Laszlo, we have same goal, then we can do some partnership for further development. For Chelips, absolutely I'm agree with you, and its clear since Openbravo 3 close manufacturing and project management module.
But I'm understand why Openbravo SLU doing this, since its a company, and its need to make money, using their own business model.
To me, I'm a gree with you, if customer simply download openbravo from the source, they can't implement the openbravo. i.e wrong join table to print PO, wrong debt payment when voiding an invoice,and disabling some acct schema table, disabling CoSG field in product accounting, and many more.
However, the independent software vendor like us, have an opportunity. Openbravo provide you the fair wiki for development (but not fair enough for end user I think). Then the differences of community and professional edition is depend on the implementor. If we can provide the same quality (or even higher) with the professional one, in lower cost ofcourse, then we are a winner in this competition.
In other side, the competition is not our goal, we need to provide best solution package to the client, and professional/community edition is a tools. if the community is the best for certain situation, I would like to implement the community, and vise versa.
In Indonesia, I have been implement for 3 client. All of them using community. 1 for manufacturing, 1 for construction company, and 1 for modern chanel retailer network.
Its hard to do, but the possibilities is there.

[dmitry_mezentsev]

Just another bit of statistics here.

The highest proportion rate of Professional to Community Edition installations we have is 10%, so as a minimum for each Professional installation there are 10 Community Editions. And clearly at the moment Spain is one of the main markets for Openbravo.

That´s illustration in facts that there is significant number of those who are taking benefits of Community Edition and also that there are those who found useful to be on Professional.

[dmitry_mezentsev]

Hello Zaien,

i.e wrong join table to print PO, wrong debt payment when voiding an invoice,and disabling some acct schema table, disabling CoSG field in product accounting, and many more.

Thank you for putting those issues on the table.

At the same time I briefly browsed our issue tracker and did not find any issues registered from you or in general on this topic.
It would be great if we can collaborate here and you can register those cases in our issue tracker.
I also invite you to contribute fixes for these issues that we can embed into the Openbravo distribution and to work on other things that can be beneficial for the rest of the Community. This will for sure en-reach your knowledge and professionalism in Openbravo due to join work with Openbravo development team.
What do you think?

[chelipf]

Dmitry, I asked you if you were trying to decive your customers, now I'm sure you are doing so. For sure your statistic is for production enviroment, doesn't it?. Can you show us that statistic please?

You say that it is possible to implement Openbravo ERP 3 in production environments without these modules.

-Project management.
-MRP management.
-Cuaderno 43
-Spain AEAT Modelo 347
-Tax Report: Modelo 303 (Spain)
-Modelo 349
-Advanced Payments
-Apparel Product Technical Specification
-Facturación Electrónica – Facturae 3.1
-Camerfactura
-Condiciones de pago
-Easy Extensible Attributes
-Formas de pago
-Gross Amounts in Invoices and Orders
-Initial Data Load
-Incoterms
-Inter-company Documents
-Intrastat
-Invoices Register Book
-Mass Advanced Paymen

Are only some examples. These modules are all from Openbravo S.L.A, not from third parties. They are all privative software and if you say it is possible to implement Openbravo in production for any kind of business is because you have never implemented anything in Spain. In any case you are just lying intentionally.

[dmitry_mezentsev]

if I want to implement a new instance of Openbravo I can't do anything without I privative professional subscription.

OK. Position is clear.
Anyway thank you Cheli for your feedback.
We will take it as an input while planning our Roadmap for Openbravo.
Of course we will weight the merit of it based on
* Other Community members feedback who are able to implement (in contrast to "I can't do anything") Community Edition. There is even no need to go far for examples, clear one is just couple of rows above in this thread from Zaien who did 3 installation. IMHO doing it outside Spain is even more difficult because for the Spain out-of-the-box Community Localization pack http://wiki.openbravo.com/wiki/Openbrav ... Edition.22 is available (with translation, chart of accounts, taxes and so on) while for Indonesia - not.
* And our own statistics that I referred before (I cannot disclose it because although un-personalized it is a customer data).

Good luck.